Transcript: Trump Press Sec Epstein Spin Implodes as Damning Info Hits

So I do still think that, even though it could end up being a moment of real weakness—and a moment we look back on and say, well, that was the end of Donald Trump’s power—it could just as easily be the impetus for another power grab. And so I think we need to take it seriously.

Sargent: Just to go really dark here, it occurs to me listening to you that when they say this is all a Democrat hoax, meaning the Epstein scandal is a Democrat hoax, it has this other meaning which is what you just said. It’s basically, we’re not going to let Democrats stop the strong man from breaking the system, ending liberal democracy and instilling authoritarian rule, are we? Go for it now, Mr. President. That’s what they mean, right?

Hemmer: That is what they mean. And I think it’s worth noting that, you know, there are what, maybe four Republicans in the House who are voting to discharge the Epstein papers. Like we are not talking about a major contingent of Republicans with power. And so the circling of the wagons will likely happen precisely because of that. And that can, you know, authorize a great deal more authoritarianism from Trump. And I think that’s what we need to watch for.

Sargent: Nicole Hemmer, I have no idea how you stare into this kind of cauldron day in and day out without going completely bonkers. Thanks so much for coming on.

Hemmer: Happy to be back. Good to talk to you.